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		<title>By: wordjunkie</title>
		<link>http://philip9876.com/2008/12/03/manifesto-of-protest-meet-3-december-6pm-ist/comment-page-1/#comment-2683</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 03:46:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi, just saw your blog. Have linked to yr post on the manifesto.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, just saw your blog. Have linked to yr post on the manifesto.</p>
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		<title>By: Krishna Aradhi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Krishna Aradhi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 13:18:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Philip

I appreciate your concern. I did not for a moment doubt your intent. Even I am sick of these politicos. But, we need to understand how things can be changed. The rally that is being planned threatens that we will not vote if the demands are not met. Honestly, the politicians won&#039;t even care. How many people will turn up for the rally? A few thousands at the most. This movement will eventually fizzle out.

What the dim-wits who thought up this protest rally are suggesting is that we should bring about change by not participating in the system. That&#039;s wrong. The whole system is rotten and the only way things are going to change is if we get involved in the system.

 I don&#039;t know what exactly people will be doing in these protests, but there is a way that this rally can still  be used to good effect. We need to form pressure groups. Groups which will use tools like the RTI to really get the civic officials and the politicians sweating. Many RTI activists are around, but they are mostly alone and they do not have the support they need in the event that they get harassed by the information officers. Pressure groups could work in such a scenario. These pressure groups can be formed during the protest rallies. I am sure many will sign up.

As Chintam suggested, we also need to get involved in politics. Sure, starting a political party is way too difficult, but there are a few good ones out there already. One such political party is the one started by Arun Bhatia, a former IAS officer. The dude&#039;s awesome. He was once posted as a Municipal Commissioner in Pune, and he started massive anti-encroachment drives. He was finally transferred because political pressure didn&#039;t seem to work on him. We need leaders like him.

His party is called the People’s Guardian Party, and you can visit its website here: http://www.arunbhatiaelect.org/

This party is currently concentrating exclusively on Pune, but if many people start showing interest in it, I am sure they will expand it sooner. There may be more such political parties out there, but this is the only one I know well enough.

There are many more ways to bring about change. I wish all those who will be attending these protest rallies good luck. Let&#039;s hope something good comes out of it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Philip</p>
<p>I appreciate your concern. I did not for a moment doubt your intent. Even I am sick of these politicos. But, we need to understand how things can be changed. The rally that is being planned threatens that we will not vote if the demands are not met. Honestly, the politicians won&#8217;t even care. How many people will turn up for the rally? A few thousands at the most. This movement will eventually fizzle out.</p>
<p>What the dim-wits who thought up this protest rally are suggesting is that we should bring about change by not participating in the system. That&#8217;s wrong. The whole system is rotten and the only way things are going to change is if we get involved in the system.</p>
<p> I don&#8217;t know what exactly people will be doing in these protests, but there is a way that this rally can still  be used to good effect. We need to form pressure groups. Groups which will use tools like the RTI to really get the civic officials and the politicians sweating. Many RTI activists are around, but they are mostly alone and they do not have the support they need in the event that they get harassed by the information officers. Pressure groups could work in such a scenario. These pressure groups can be formed during the protest rallies. I am sure many will sign up.</p>
<p>As Chintam suggested, we also need to get involved in politics. Sure, starting a political party is way too difficult, but there are a few good ones out there already. One such political party is the one started by Arun Bhatia, a former IAS officer. The dude&#8217;s awesome. He was once posted as a Municipal Commissioner in Pune, and he started massive anti-encroachment drives. He was finally transferred because political pressure didn&#8217;t seem to work on him. We need leaders like him.</p>
<p>His party is called the People’s Guardian Party, and you can visit its website here: <a href="http://www.arunbhatiaelect.org/" rel="nofollow">http://www.arunbhatiaelect.org/</a></p>
<p>This party is currently concentrating exclusively on Pune, but if many people start showing interest in it, I am sure they will expand it sooner. There may be more such political parties out there, but this is the only one I know well enough.</p>
<p>There are many more ways to bring about change. I wish all those who will be attending these protest rallies good luck. Let&#8217;s hope something good comes out of it.</p>
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		<title>By: Chintam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chintam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 10:43:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alongside what has bee suggegsted and what is being demanded to clean the current system, I suggest a lateral approach, to nurture and bring about whole new generation of young (untouched) indians opting to take politics as their career. If we want to see that being changed, we want to be part of that. There should be some how Nationwide awareness among the parents of above average income to make commitment and choices for their able child(ren) to take politics as their career while the rest of average and below average can continue to work for earning their livelihoods.
This is in simlar lines to the time of freedom struggle where Nehru/Gandhi etc from elite families made sacrifices with the help of common man following them, to achieve what we call independence.

It doesn&#039;t take ages to nurture the new generation entering politics, i can wait that long (20 yrs or so) and would hope to live to see the change. That is ONLY HOPE i&#039;ve got. When they come as BIG force, these dirty politicians would, i&#039;m sure, automatically get swept away. We have already lot of bright indians choosing to join IAS/IPS with a view to serving the Nation, all those should be aiming for the next level up. They are so bright that they can learn what ever necessary to bring them up to speed for becoming an able politician who are well equipped with knowledge and brains for making the right decisions at the right time, for the well being of the Nation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alongside what has bee suggegsted and what is being demanded to clean the current system, I suggest a lateral approach, to nurture and bring about whole new generation of young (untouched) indians opting to take politics as their career. If we want to see that being changed, we want to be part of that. There should be some how Nationwide awareness among the parents of above average income to make commitment and choices for their able child(ren) to take politics as their career while the rest of average and below average can continue to work for earning their livelihoods.<br />
This is in simlar lines to the time of freedom struggle where Nehru/Gandhi etc from elite families made sacrifices with the help of common man following them, to achieve what we call independence.</p>
<p>It doesn&#8217;t take ages to nurture the new generation entering politics, i can wait that long (20 yrs or so) and would hope to live to see the change. That is ONLY HOPE i&#8217;ve got. When they come as BIG force, these dirty politicians would, i&#8217;m sure, automatically get swept away. We have already lot of bright indians choosing to join IAS/IPS with a view to serving the Nation, all those should be aiming for the next level up. They are so bright that they can learn what ever necessary to bring them up to speed for becoming an able politician who are well equipped with knowledge and brains for making the right decisions at the right time, for the well being of the Nation.</p>
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		<title>By: Liju Philip</title>
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		<dc:creator>Liju Philip</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 03:33:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Krishna, maybe the manifesto is wrong, maybe my point of view is wrong, but honestly am sick and tired of all the killings.  Its not time to think who is participating and who isnt in the protest.  Its not a matter of who voted or not.  We have consistently voted for assholes and got a similar govt.

Its time we used th only weapon we had in our hands (our votes) to set things right.

Desperate times call for desperate measures.  There is no right or wrong way as long as everything merges at the single goal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Krishna, maybe the manifesto is wrong, maybe my point of view is wrong, but honestly am sick and tired of all the killings.  Its not time to think who is participating and who isnt in the protest.  Its not a matter of who voted or not.  We have consistently voted for assholes and got a similar govt.</p>
<p>Its time we used th only weapon we had in our hands (our votes) to set things right.</p>
<p>Desperate times call for desperate measures.  There is no right or wrong way as long as everything merges at the single goal.</p>
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		<title>By: Krishna Aradhi</title>
		<link>http://philip9876.com/2008/12/03/manifesto-of-protest-meet-3-december-6pm-ist/comment-page-1/#comment-2691</link>
		<dc:creator>Krishna Aradhi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 00:18:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Philip,

I respect you, but I must say that this whole campaign asking people not to vote is flawed. Rule 49-O has no provisions for a re-poll. Besides, when you cast a negative vote, all the officers in the polling booth come to know of it. You have to declare that you want to cast a negative vote. This goes against the very concept of &quot;secret ballot&quot;.

So, by trying to convince people not to vote, you are actually killing democracy. You people should first campaign to get Rule 49-O amended. In its current form, it is useless. Most of the people who are going to participate in these rallies are upper-middle class folks who have never actively engaged in mainstream politics. The voting percentages in urban areas are proof enough of that. I wonder why all of them are suddenly awakening now. Is it because they have now realised that even their homes too are not safe anymore?

 By carrying out &quot;Do Not Vote&quot; campaigns, you are proving that you are no better than the Kashmiri separatists.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Philip,</p>
<p>I respect you, but I must say that this whole campaign asking people not to vote is flawed. Rule 49-O has no provisions for a re-poll. Besides, when you cast a negative vote, all the officers in the polling booth come to know of it. You have to declare that you want to cast a negative vote. This goes against the very concept of &#8220;secret ballot&#8221;.</p>
<p>So, by trying to convince people not to vote, you are actually killing democracy. You people should first campaign to get Rule 49-O amended. In its current form, it is useless. Most of the people who are going to participate in these rallies are upper-middle class folks who have never actively engaged in mainstream politics. The voting percentages in urban areas are proof enough of that. I wonder why all of them are suddenly awakening now. Is it because they have now realised that even their homes too are not safe anymore?</p>
<p> By carrying out &#8220;Do Not Vote&#8221; campaigns, you are proving that you are no better than the Kashmiri separatists.</p>
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		<title>By: Usha</title>
		<link>http://philip9876.com/2008/12/03/manifesto-of-protest-meet-3-december-6pm-ist/comment-page-1/#comment-2690</link>
		<dc:creator>Usha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 18:56:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you!

This gives hope.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you!</p>
<p>This gives hope.</p>
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		<title>By: Manpreet</title>
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		<dc:creator>Manpreet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 18:44:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Liju</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Liju</p>
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		<title>By: indianhomemaker</title>
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		<dc:creator>indianhomemaker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 16:22:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I watched it all on TV, the 49-O has actually become a symbol for demand for Electoral reforms, we need to demand that we have the right to vote for NONE OF THE ABOVE, which is actually a Neutral Vote. If the candidates get enough neutral votes they cannot stand for elections again, which means fresh, clean candidates get a chance to serve the nation.
Other reforms include, not letting any politicians with criminal records to stand for elections, declaration of assets etc.
My next post is about this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I watched it all on TV, the 49-O has actually become a symbol for demand for Electoral reforms, we need to demand that we have the right to vote for NONE OF THE ABOVE, which is actually a Neutral Vote. If the candidates get enough neutral votes they cannot stand for elections again, which means fresh, clean candidates get a chance to serve the nation.<br />
Other reforms include, not letting any politicians with criminal records to stand for elections, declaration of assets etc.<br />
My next post is about this.</p>
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