1. aniche says:

    damn! that’s smart! 🙂

  2. JB says:

    Not funny. 🙂

  3. Liju Philip says:

    Aniche, yup of course. Ricky is too smart 😉

    JB 🙂

  4. raydixon says:

    Made this one up myself:

    Dad: Harbhajan, having you been eating soap?

    Harbhajan: No, why would I want to do that?

    Dad: To wash the filthy racist remarks out of your mouth

    Like for like, huh?

  5. Liju Philip says:

    Naah, Ray, you need to improve your poetry skills…. lol

  6. Liju Philip says:

    Also Ray, Harbhajan didnt call Symonds a monkey. He called Symonds “maa ki ****”.

    Its a punjabi/hindi word used in India generally aimed at the mother of target. Just like the Aussies like to call anyone bastard and bloody and think that they are being friendly, its just a friendly banter in India

    And for Symonds, “maa ki***” sounded like Monkey. Hence the complaint.

    Nothing much. Harbhajan has indeed confessed that he abused Symond’s mother and not called him a monkey. Its (P)Ricky Ponting who is unable to take the insult. Cos he is being made a bunny by Harbhajan in every match.

    Harbhajan was targeted simply because he was ready to dish it back to the Aussies in the same way. Now, the whole thing has simply backfired on the Aussies. They now look like a wet cat on the field. Even if they open the mouth, they will be complained against.

    And, this is just the start. Every country will now complaint against the Aussies. The fun has just started.

    Also Sreesanth has been selected for the one dayers. Think, we can have lots of discussions in the months to come over this issue.

    Remember, the Aussies will be back in India in the end of the year. Hmmm….i dont think this issue is going to die off soon.

  7. JB says:

    Liju Philip,

    Sorry, in Australia we simply don’t believe this whole “maa ki***” story. Why did this only come out after the hearing? Why wasn’t it mentioned at the hearing? Why did we have all this stuff about Monkey being some kind of compliment? The view here is that they came up with the excuse afterwards! In my view he said it and he shouldn’t have. He deserves the ban because it was discussed in India and agreed not to be said, unlike Bastard which was an immature tit-for-tat complaint.

    I refer you to one of Lazybug’s posts which discusses abuse prior to the series.


    Do you seriously believe that the Aussie success has been because of sledging? I think you over-estimate its importance. Also, don’t read too much into the loss in Perth. India played very well. But that doesn’t mean Australia are sitting ducks, they are still a very good side.

    Team India has a simple choice. Get over this stuff or keep going with it until the next tour. I know which one will improve relations and build respect between the teams and countries. I know which one won’t. Hopefully you do too.

  8. Liju Philip says:

    Same here JB. I don’t understand how one can listen to Symonds and ban Harbhajan? Even when Sachin Tendulkar had vouched that Harbhajan had not said anything racist to Symonds.

    It was mentioned in the hearing that Bhajji had abused Symonds but that was not a racist taunt. I rather take Sachin’s word than someone like Symonds.

    Maybe Bastard is a normal word for Aussies. But for Indians its not. Its probably the worst thing you can call an Indian.

    For us Monkey is a normal word. Every kid in India is taunted or teased saying that he is a monkey.

    Symonds was the first to start, so he should be ready to listen to anything that is replied. Even if its a racist taunt. If you cant take it, don’t say it then in the first place.

    Aus is still a great side. No denying that. But, they can keep their aggression to the playing and zip their mouths. Or else be prepared to listen to stuff from others too.

  9. JB says:

    Ok – lets do one more round on the whole monkey thing.

    These are the facts as I understand it to be. Please let me know where the issues are so we can pin-point the area of disagreement.

    1) Mumbai – crowd and Harbhajan calls Symonds “Monkey”;
    2) Symonds goes to the Indian hotel room and talks to Harbhajan explaining that Monkey is offensive. It is agreed that Harbhajan will not say it again;
    3) Before the Australian tour the captains get together and agree what is deemed to be racist and one of the words is “Monkey”. ICC demands that any racist comments are to be reported (note that Bastard never came up);
    4) Sydney test, Symonds claims to be called “Monkey” and Ponting reports to umpires, all consistent with the agreed procedure.
    5) Hearing is heard over 6 hours by an independent tribunal with evidence from the Australian and Indian players. Harbhajan found guilty;
    6) India threaten to leave country and now Harbhajan claims that he said “maa ki***”;
    7) India report Hogg under the same offence as Harghajan for using the word “Bastard”. This was not on the list at the start of the tour. India withdraws the claim before the Perth test admitting it was a tit-for-tat claim.

    So, I don’t feel that Symonds started anything. As for whether Harbhajan should have been found innocent because Tendulkar said so, I am afraid that just doesn’t cut it. I don’t know what he said, but obviously the independent tribunal didn’t agree.

  10. Liju Philip says:

    In the Sydney match, Symonds abused Bhajji first for which he retaliated with the monkey or maa ki taunt. So, there is no way one can go by Symonds evidence.

    Bhajji tapped Bret Lee on his butt with the bat and Bret Lee walked off with a smile. What was the reason for Symonds to take it up is something only he can tell. Symonds said that he was sticking up for his mate. It was nothing but bull crap. Bret Lee had nothing to complain, so what was Symonds sticking up for? It was a friendly talk between Bhajji and Lee in which Symonds poked his nose and got what he got. And then went crying mummy.

    Perhaps he was trying to play Indiana Jones in the situation. Btw, have you noticed that the prime candidate in this case, Bret Lee has nothing to complain against any Indian player?

    I dont think that one can make an exhaustive list of abuses rite? Just because one word doesn’t make it in the list doesn’t mean that one can use it.

    The independent tribunal just went ahead with the complainant (Symond’s) view and paid no heed to what Bhajji or Sachin had to say. The Indian team was given no time to arrange for a lawyer who would have torn Symond’s complaint to shreds in an instant.

    That’s the reason why India threatened to pull out.

  11. JB says:

    Well, you and I see things differently.

  12. Liju Philip says:

    Yup JB. Ceasefire…. hahaha.

    No more posts from me on this issue again.

    Looking forward to the match tomorrow. Enjoy the match. Happy Australia Day. Hope i got it right.

  13. JB says:


    You were close, Australia day is on the Saturday, but the holiday is Monday.

    The test should be a cracker!

  14. raydixon says:

    Well, I’ll just reply to Liju too:

    How do you know what was said? How can you be so certain Harbhajan said maa ki ****, which by the way I understand means motherf….r?

    So Harbhajan has a ‘filthy’ mouth whichever version you believe and he was found guilty by an independent referee.

    It’s no surprise either. He has a history – re telling Pietersen of England to ‘f… off’, and that was picked up clearly by the microphones, while he was refusing to walk after being bowled! He’s a bad boy, that’s for sure.

    Why can’t you accept the ‘umpire’s decision’ on this and move on? It’s sounding rather precious.

    Good luck in Adelaide. I hope the Aussies give India the ‘mother’ of all hidings. Cheers.

  15. James says:

    Oh Bajji is a bad boy? What about your precious Ponting, who has a history of spats with players and umpires alike (see Ponting Rauf on youtube). Your wet dream of Aus giving Ind a hiding in Adelaide did’nt happen, but we’ll make sure to wait for when you bastards come to India in October…that is if you don’t view it as a terrorist threat and back out, and decide to play ALL your games at home

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